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1)5月11日(月)19時より・・・リクエスト、禅語等、仏道をならふというは、自己をならふなり
https://youtu.be/K1zs6GYApnI

2)5月14日(木)19時より・・・TRUTH AND ACTUALITY(3)真理と実在
https://youtu.be/A5PGoRlaFdA

1)以下のご質問です。

⑥随所作主⑦立処皆真⑧也太奇⑨知足
⑩禅という言葉の意味

「仏道をならふというは、自己をならふなり」を解説して頂けませんでしょうか。よろしくお願いいたします。


2)TRUTH AND ACTUALITY(3)真理と実在

三回目ですが、初めてでも大丈夫です。

こちらのPDFを印刷しておくと、便利ですchaptere1・・・・15ページまで(全部印刷すると大変なことになります)

https://www.holybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/Truth-and-Actuality-by-J-Krishanmurti.pdf

10ページ途中から

K: And the sane, healthy, whole, holy man, what is his
relationship to truth?
Dr B: If you accept the meaning of the word, if you say truth is
that which is, as well as being true to that which is, then you have
to say that he is all this.
K: So you would say the man who is sane, whole, is truth?
Dr B: He is truth, yes.
K: Such a man is truth. He may think certain things which
would be reality, but he is truth. He can't think irrationally.
Dr B: Well, I wouldn't say quite that, I'd say that he can make a
mistake.
K: Of course.
Dr B: But he doesn't persist in it. In other words, there is the
man who has made a mistake and acknowledges it, changes it.
K: Yes, quite right.
Dr B: And there is also the man who has made a mistake but his
mind is not straight and therefore he goes on with it. But we have
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to come back to the question: does truth go beyond any particular
man; does it include other men, and Nature as well?
K: It includes all that is.
Dr B: Yes, so the truth is one. But there are many different
things in the field of reality. Each thing is conditioned, the whole
field of reality is conditioned. But clearly, truth itself cannot be
conditioned or dependent on things.
K: What then is the relationship to reality of the man who is
truth?
Dr B: He sees all the things and, in doing this, he comprehends
reality. What the word "comprehends" means is to hold it all
together.
K: He doesn't separate reality. He says, "I comprehend it, I hold
it, I see it".
Dr B: Yes, it's all one field of reality, himself and everything.
But it has things in it which are conditioned and he comprehends
the conditions.
K: And because he comprehends conditioning, he is free of
conditioning.
Dr B: It seems clear then that all our knowledge, being based on
thought, is actually a part of this one conditioned field of reality.
K: Now another question. Suppose I am a scholar, I'm full of
such conditioned and conditioning knowledge. How am I to
comprehend truth in the sense of holding it all together?
Dr B: I don't think you can comprehend truth.
K: Say I have studied all my life, I've devoted all my life to
knowledge, which is reality.
Dr B: Yes, and it is also about a bigger reality. K: And suppose
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you come along and say, "Truth is somewhere else, it's not that". I
accept you, because you show it to me, and so I say, "Please help
me to move from here to that".
Dr B: Yes.
K: Because once I get that, I comprehend it. If I live here, then
my comprehension is always fragmented.
Dr B: Yes.
K: Therefore my knowledge tells me, "This is reality but it is
not truth". And suppose you come along and say, "No, it is not".
And I ask: please tell me how to move from here to that.
Dr B: Well, we've just said we can't move...
K: I'm putting it briefly. What am I to do?
Dr B: I think I have to see that this whole structure of
knowledge is inevitably false, because my reality is twisted.
K: Would you say the content of my consciousness is
knowledge?
Dr B: Yes.
K: How am I to empty that consciousness and yet retain
knowledge which is not twisted - otherwise I can't function - and
reach a state, or whatever it is, which will comprehend reality. I
don't know if I'm making myself clear.
Dr B: Yes.
K: What I'm asking is: my human consciousness is its content,
which is knowledge; it's a messy conglomeration of irrational
knowledge and some which is correct. Can that consciousness
comprehend, or bring into itself, truth?
Dr B: No, it can't. K: Therefore, can this consciousness go to
that truth? It can't either. Then what?
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Dr B: There can be a perception of the falseness in this
consciousness. This consciousness is false, in the sense that it does
not run true. Because of the confused content it does not run true.
K: It's contradictory.
Dr B: It muddles things up.
K: Not,"muddles things up; it is a muddle.
Dr B: It is a muddle, yes, in the way it moves. Now then, one of
the main points of the muddle is that when consciousness reflects
on itself, the reflection has this character: it's as if there were a
mirror and consciousness were looking at itself through a mirror
and the mirror is reflecting consciousness as if it were not
consciousness but an independent reality.
K: Yes.
Dr B: Now therefore, the action which consciousness takes is
wrong, because it tries to improve the apparently independent
reality, whereas in fact to do this is just a muddle.
I would like to put it this way: the whole of consciousness is
somehow an instrument which is connected up to a deeper energy.
And as long as consciousness is connected in that way, it maintains
its state of wrong action.
K: Yes.
Dr B: So on seeing that this consciousness is reflecting itself
wrongly as independent of thought, what is needed is somehow to
disconnect the energy of consciousness. The whole of
consciousness has to be disconnected, so it would, as it were, lie
there without energy.
K: You're saying, don't feed it. My consciousness is a muddle, it
is confused, contradictory, and all the rest of it. And its very
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contradiction, its very muddle, gives its own energy.
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